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is we're going to talk to someone

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quantum doug dr quantum doug who

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of texas instruments and doug can take

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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i'm your host alex karis and today we're

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doug matzke and he's here to talk about

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his new book deep reality

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why source science and in a minute doug

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be the key to understanding human

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dr william tiller you know if you go to

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you can actually read this book for free

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phd in quantum computing from the

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instruments and we're going to talk

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texas instruments for a while were you

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chip technology in the world he worked

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chip which if you can get over the fact

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talk to him at great length about that

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because there's so few people

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and doug can nail that down he really

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experiences and he can talk about monroe

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it's powerful stuff and i think that

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i'm so glad you're here hey yeah thanks

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so tell us a little bit about this

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what is source science yeah exactly

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hold on we're already gonna lose people

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dean raiden's experiment did

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and once you realize oh maybe

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quantum mechanics and thought are really

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the same thing

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so it's not unusual that they would

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interact sort of

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that's the model what i call source

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science

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is that those things are really the same

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thing

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and then how i support that argument

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through you know 400 pages of the book

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um is is is the is the insight that i

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had in fact this book was written

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purely as pretty much as insight it's

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like i don't take

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credit for the book as much as i sort of

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like

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channel the book if you want to think

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about it that way i don't want to think

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about it that way

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because it's going to throw a lot of

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people off i mean well the point is

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it's it's intellect and insight at the

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same time so

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you know and and i only wrote when i was

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inspired i didn't write when i was

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forcing to get it done

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so it took me five years to write the

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book i can imagine

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no it's it's it's theory of everything

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kind of level but with

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backing it up you know kind of thing let

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me i

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feel like we're still not touching

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people or and maybe we are maybe and i

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don't know but

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like your your dissertation i don't

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understand your dissertation from crap

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but a couple of the buzzwords that i

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pulled out of it is

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the standard model okay so

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that means cern that means

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they built this huge freaking hydron

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collider ring

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miles and miles up in the alps to slam

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these things together so they could find

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all the little pieces that we

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hypothesize are there

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aren't really there you come along and

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you go

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oh okay i can do that just with

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math just with math yeah

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so yeah take us through that at a super

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high level in terms of

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what's going on with quantum mechanics

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that people don't understand you know

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you just talked about the the double

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slit experiment but people still don't

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understand it and then they still don't

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understand

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so the double slit experiment right is

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you shoot the photon beam

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and sometimes it looks like a wave

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sometimes it looks like a particle it

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shouldn't be it should either be a wave

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or it should be a particle

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and then the conclusion is aha uh the

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observer effect comes out of that

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if i observe if a tree falls in the

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forest then it's a wave if it doesn't

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then it's an article got a thing

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and then you're kind of saying yeah but

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it's much

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much much bigger than that and how does

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that relate

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to so so that's the idea of this term

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you're using source science it's like

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right if you keep drilling down drilling

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down drilling down

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the reason that the double slit

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experiment looks so weird is because

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they just don't really want to embrace

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what's down there at that lower level

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yeah

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absolutely absolutely so the the

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the key insight from this is that even

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quantum computing which is what i did

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for my dissertation

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it's just bits under there and those

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bits are just like we would think about

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them in computer science they're ones

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and zeros

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but they happen to be represented in a

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mathematical way

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that you can say computer science and

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physics can use the same representation

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that would

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brilliance of the geometric algebra so

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once you have a common language now

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where computer science and physics can

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talk together

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and you can treat bits as though their

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physics

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that's the insight that started this

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whole thing

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does that make sense did i make that

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clear

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i i think it does you know what really

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helped me a lot

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um what i and i thought you know because

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to talk about the coin demonstration

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because from an information standpoint

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there's a little bit of an aha moment

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that i think a lot of people will grasp

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yeah yeah imagine that you have

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i have something behind my back right

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and i'm going to hold it out and there's

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a coin

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there in my hand okay and then i'm going

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to put it back behind my hand and then

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i'm going to

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show again what looks like a similar

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coin

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it back and say

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how many coins do i have and this is

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this is this demo was created by my

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colleague mike manthe

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and he and and the answer is well you

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have one coin or maybe you

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have more than one coin right so there's

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there's like a bit of information

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now if i take my coin the hand out and i

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show you both

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coins at the same time i've just given

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you a bit of information right

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right alex it's either one

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or more than one right i just you got a

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bit of information now you know there's

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two

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and the question is where did that bit

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come from

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right yeah where did that bit of

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information come from and the only occur

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the way that it can happen

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is if you have them concurrently

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presented

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at the same time let's trace that back

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if we can to

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uh kind of the way we all know

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quote unquote computers work right

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something is either

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on or it's off you either turn on that

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little donut or you turn it off

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and now help us understand how you've

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just

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kind of smashed that model a little bit

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yeah even turing computing which is

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supposed to be

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vulnerable computing and turing

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computing is supposed to be more

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sequential but here

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affects bits at the physics level

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and that's a new concept this is what we

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call non-shannon information

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and and it's non-causal information

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because

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you know even if you have physics you

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have to say well i have

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two two electrons hitting at the same

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time well what is the same

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timing that's a concurrent event right

461
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well

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relativity says there is no such thing

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as concurrent events it's all relative

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right

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so there's this sort of like it

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questions the whole

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notion of concurrency in the quantum

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mechanics perspective

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and now that tie that to another mystery

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that people have in their head but they

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don't really understand

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how it fits in but what we all know

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kind of what entanglement is yeah

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so what does entanglement say about

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concurrency absolutely

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even entanglement is the second

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step in quantum mechanics if there's if

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you're going to try to

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learn a little bit about quantum

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mechanics in this

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lecture here in this interview that

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we're going to do here the

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one thing you have to realize a qubit is

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really two bits

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that can be sort of like both on and off

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at the same time right and a regular

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a regular coin cannot be on and off at

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the same time but imagine

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if you had two of those two bits and now

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you have this what's called a phase

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angle this 45 degree phase angle that

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can be both

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on and off at the same time right so if

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you have

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two of those qubits topologically then

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you have

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what's called an ebit an entangled bit

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and you can prepare it in such a way

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that there are two things acting like

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one in fact in the geometric algebra

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it looks like a higher dimensional

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version of a qubit

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exactly the same no you're just too

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freaking smart doug

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i swear you just start but

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so i'm gonna those two concepts and know

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that they're related

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and geometric algebra gives you the clue

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about how they're related

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then that's the fun part of it and you

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go oh so that's the root of source

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science so

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yeah it is but i got a michael scott

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explain it to me like i'm five years old

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but let me say this

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when you were at texas instruments right

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yeah and you guys were making these

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chips

519
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yeah and you were using moore's law a

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lot of people knows what what moore's

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law

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is to get denser and denser more and

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more

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information packed into those chips

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at some point you got or you are getting

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to the point where you go

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gee golly darn we just can't lie those

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wires

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any closer together because why can't

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you at a very

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real you know i also talked to this guy

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bernardo castro and he works for a

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high-tech company that makes the

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machines that do

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all this kind of stuff and so explain it

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and to

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explain entanglement from that

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perspective in terms of gosh darn it we

539
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can't do it anymore

540
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well this notion of limits of computing

541
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i think that's what you're talking about

542
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here right limits of computing which is

543
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what i'm trying to get to is that

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entanglement isn't

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a fuzzy phony hairy airy fairy concept

546
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it's like you can't do that you

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want to do

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because of entanglement yes

549
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in fact many quantum properties

550
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entanglement is one of them

551
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where you realize quantum mechanics is

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generally fuzzy

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and because of entanglement they're

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correlated at a distance

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that's what entanglement does for you

556
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the superposition part

557
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of quantum mechanics is probability that

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means it's fuzzy

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that and you know that the fact that you

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you you can't look into a qubit and know

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what it is

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without destroying it right this there's

563
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a no cloning principle in quantum

564
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mechanics it says you can't even know

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the state of the quantum bit

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so talk about fuzzy right if you take

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two of those q bits and create

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entanglement now you have

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two things acting like one even though

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they're far apart

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and that can't be done in classical

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physics

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at all in fact einstein said

574
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:38,320
oh this isn't this isn't real in fact

575
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:39,360
einstein said

576
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:41,760
for many years he says this is spooky

577
00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:43,440
action at a distance right

578
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:46,640
and finally in the 60s bell

579
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:49,440
john bell says no this is real and you

580
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:51,039
can't do it any other way except your

581
00:20:53,350 --> 00:20:51,919
quantum mechanics

582
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,360
now they're the chinese and everybody

583
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:55,520
else is building quantum entangled ships

584
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:57,120
you know that allow you to send

585
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:58,400
entangled stuff around so it's

586
00:21:03,110 --> 00:20:59,840
technology now you know

587
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:03,120
so it's real and guess what you

588
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:04,799
can't have an ebit unless you have four

589
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:06,960
dimensions so how do those four

590
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,320
dimensions

591
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:10,720
again comes out of the geometric algebra

592
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:12,559
how does that four dimensions interact

593
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:14,480
with the three dimensions that is our

594
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:15,120
universe

595
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:18,799
right that's where your head goes pow

596
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:22,480
you know right off the top great

597
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:25,520
great that's where your head goes pow

598
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:28,559
you got a great you got a great line in

599
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:29,280
the book

600
00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:31,120
that maybe you can further elaborate on

601
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,480
this sure so what you're discovering

602
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:36,320
and as you say you know we're all

603
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:38,320
enamored by technology

604
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:40,000
and you just made an offhand remark you

605
00:21:45,750 --> 00:21:42,720
know oh yeah the japanese have like

606
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:45,760
basically a modem that they can now

607
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:47,440
send this information because entangled

608
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:48,799
particles move

609
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:51,200
at we don't even we can't even calculate

610
00:21:54,310 --> 00:21:52,960
i mean it's simultaneous how can it move

611
00:21:56,070 --> 00:21:54,320
around the world simultaneously i don't

612
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:56,080
know it does it

613
00:22:03,430 --> 00:21:59,440
that's a reality quantum computers

614
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,440
alphago google that's a reality

615
00:22:07,750 --> 00:22:05,760
it doesn't fit all problems it may fit

616
00:22:10,870 --> 00:22:07,760
more and more problems in the future

617
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:10,880
but quantum computers are real things

618
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:13,760
absolutely then what you say that only

619
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:15,039
works

620
00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:18,240
because of an understanding of

621
00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:22,159
a multi-dimensional reality and yet

622
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:25,280
we understand our reality to be

623
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:26,720
three-dimensional

624
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:28,960
so now we're forced to pick okay which

625
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:30,240
reality do we want

626
00:22:33,909 --> 00:22:32,000
we have this hard evidence that this is

627
00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:33,919
the ultimate reality it's greater than

628
00:22:36,149 --> 00:22:34,400
this

629
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:36,159
but we have a tendency to say no no no

630
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:37,679
no let's force it back

631
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:40,240
into this old thing we're comfortable

632
00:22:45,510 --> 00:22:42,720
with called this 3d reality

633
00:22:47,029 --> 00:22:45,520
absolutely absolutely do you want to

634
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:47,039
speak to that because that's the that's

635
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:49,039
the launching off point in your book to

636
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:55,029
if you believe like feynman says the

637
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:55,840
universe

638
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,200
mechanical but still

639
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:01,840
you have to say well how does it even

640
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:03,039
you know that's the part that

641
00:23:07,029 --> 00:23:04,559
people can't understand about

642
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:07,039
entanglement is that you can't

643
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:08,480
have entanglement unless you have four

644
00:23:13,350 --> 00:23:11,120
dimensions but every ebit has its

645
00:23:15,430 --> 00:23:13,360
own four dimensions private dimensions

646
00:23:17,510 --> 00:23:15,440
because otherwise they'd interact

647
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:17,520
so that means that there's a gazillion

648
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:19,039
dimensions out there

649
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:21,200
and we can show that with shore's

650
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:22,400
algorithm

651
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:24,080
in that the number of dimensions that

652
00:23:28,230 --> 00:23:25,520
you have in quantum computing is

653
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:28,240
2 to the power of q where q is the

654
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:29,520
number of qubits

655
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:32,000
and if you have 2 to the 300 qubits you

656
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:33,280
have 300 qubits

657
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,039
which would allow you to break using

658
00:23:39,510 --> 00:23:36,960
surge algorithm every

659
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,520
encryption in any internet in the world

660
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,760
if you could build a 300 bit qubit

661
00:23:45,590 --> 00:23:43,919
that's bigger than most 256 bit

662
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:45,600
encryption codes that we use on our

663
00:23:50,149 --> 00:23:47,360
for all of our secure communications

664
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:50,159
yeah everything you're you're saying is

665
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:51,520
just so

666
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:52,640
like we said at the beginning it's just

667
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:55,279
so important it just really is it's so

668
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:56,799
fundamentally important it's not out

669
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:58,240
there you don't have a hundred

670
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:59,600
interviews out there doug i don't know

671
00:24:03,990 --> 00:24:00,240
why

672
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:04,000
but you don't have a ted talk with five

673
00:24:07,510 --> 00:24:05,200
million views

674
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:07,520
i don't know why you don't it's it's

675
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:09,840
like fundamentally important

676
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:12,159
so yeah bringing it down to reality that

677
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:13,279
people can relate to

678
00:24:20,470 --> 00:24:16,880
okay go to netflix and watch the

679
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:20,480
alphago documentary it's a fascinating

680
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:21,360
documentary

681
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:24,880
we've all heard about how computers can

682
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:27,919
uh solve problems that we think

683
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,880
are demonstrating human intelligence so

684
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:32,880
the chess you know oh the computer can

685
00:24:36,710 --> 00:24:34,000
play chess

686
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,720
deep blue beats the best chess player

687
00:24:40,470 --> 00:24:38,320
well it turns out an even more

688
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:40,480
complicated computer problem is the game

689
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:42,640
go it's very popular in asia it's less

690
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:44,000
popular here but

691
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,679
acknowledge is kind of the ultimate

692
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,520
thinking game so

693
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,919
the good people at google set about

694
00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,600
funding this little group to go see if

695
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,440
they could

696
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,279
beat the best go player and the

697
00:24:59,669 --> 00:24:57,440
documentary i would highly recommend and

698
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:59,679
and people watch it and there's going to

699
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:00,880
be an interesting connection we're going

700
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:02,799
to try and make between the ai

701
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:06,000
that they use to solve go

702
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:07,679
to solve the go problem and beat the

703
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:09,120
best go player in the world

704
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:12,640
which isn't quantum by the way and then

705
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:15,919
how that might become quantum and how it

706
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:16,960
could lead to even

707
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,960
you know really whipping the guy's butt

708
00:25:23,350 --> 00:25:20,400
even quicker

709
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:23,360
and then as you throw in the book yeah

710
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:24,240
and by the way

711
00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:26,159
google totally realizes this and they're

712
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:27,840
building their only quan their own

713
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,200
quantum computer

714
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,919
and they're at like what 38 cubit or

715
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:33,600
something you said when we get to 300

716
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:34,320
it's like

717
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:36,880
game over for any encryption they're at

718
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,000
38

719
00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:40,720
and then break that down for us too in

720
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:41,520
terms of

721
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:44,320
what that means because that's like

722
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:46,400
already bigger than like

723
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:47,919
if you put all the super computers in

724
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,840
the world in a room you'd be

725
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:51,440
bigger than that at solving some

726
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:52,799
problems so there's a lot to unravel

727
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:53,360
there

728
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:56,799
please yeah yeah absolutely so the point

729
00:26:02,310 --> 00:25:59,440
i was making about the 300

730
00:26:04,230 --> 00:26:02,320
is that 2 to the 300 it's hard for

731
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,240
people imagine how big that is

732
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:06,480
the power of exponential but 2 to the

733
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:07,520
300

734
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:11,039
is more particles in the known universe

735
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:14,240
it's that big okay so even if you had

736
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,679
every particle in the universe

737
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,520
to be a computer that was working on

738
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,960
solving that problem

739
00:26:22,310 --> 00:26:20,720
they would all have to work together

740
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,320
even though there's

741
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:24,640
you know 30 million three billion light

742
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:26,080
years away from each other

743
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:27,520
working together to solve that problem

744
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:29,520
so quantum computing cheats

745
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:33,600
it has two to the 300 states

746
00:26:39,029 --> 00:26:36,960
sort of like a doctor whose time machine

747
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:39,039
you know where it's got this much bigger

748
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:39,600
space

749
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:42,240
behind it than it looks like from

750
00:26:45,750 --> 00:26:44,000
looking at the phone booth right

751
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:45,760
so quantum computing is like that

752
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:47,039
essentially

753
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:49,679
it's using all of these states out there

754
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:50,640
and we would say

755
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:51,919
physicists would say well those are

756
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:54,080
mathematical no

757
00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:57,919
they're real because they can compute

758
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:01,840
and what if humans tap into that

759
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:05,360
state space and do things that we

760
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:09,200
didn't expect them to do right so that's

761
00:27:14,789 --> 00:27:12,240
how it connects those two things well

762
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:14,799
and i think you know the main thrust of

763
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:16,000
your book

764
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:19,039
is that humans already do connect yeah

765
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:22,320
and that our mis understanding has been

766
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:23,840
that we don't connect

767
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:27,120
and that we've adopted a model for

768
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:30,640
how human consciousness works that is

769
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:34,159
conveniently or intentionally dumb down

770
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:36,880
in order to kind of push certain ideas

771
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:38,480
but i did want to return to the alpha

772
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:40,320
gobe thing because i think it's a great

773
00:27:46,470 --> 00:27:43,520
a great example it's like

774
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:46,480
if you're like me i like to play online

775
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,039
chess

776
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:49,440
occasionally and i'm really not very

777
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,640
good at it at all

778
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,640
but one of the things that always gives

779
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:54,720
me is a reminder

780
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:58,000
as one as a kid in pakistan who's 12

781
00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:59,840
years old kicks my butt

782
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:02,880
or as the computer if i ever turn it on

783
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:05,200
full speed just destroys me

784
00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:08,399
that you know my level of kind of

785
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,840
cognitive processing

786
00:28:12,870 --> 00:28:11,840
of that level you know it's kind of

787
00:28:16,310 --> 00:28:12,880
narrow but

788
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:16,320
is just it's humbling right it's okay

789
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:18,640
i get it i i have all these thoughts

790
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:19,760
going through my head

791
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:22,080
i'm really not that smart and then so

792
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:24,080
then you take alphago

793
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:26,799
and you go okay now we're upping the

794
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:27,840
level like this

795
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:31,039
guy who's the alphago champ is like

796
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:32,640
just a lot smarter you know you talk

797
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:34,080
he's a lot smarter

798
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:36,720
and then you see not only that the

799
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:37,520
computer

800
00:28:40,710 --> 00:28:39,600
beats him but the thing i got out of

801
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:40,720
that and i don't know if you remember

802
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,120
this

803
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:43,360
from the movie or just from you know

804
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:44,559
your knowledge of it

805
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:47,840
yeah what it revealed

806
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:51,600
was an entirely different strategy

807
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:53,360
that people who've played go for a

808
00:28:56,830 --> 00:28:54,720
thousand years or two

809
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:56,840
however long hadn't really fully

810
00:29:01,590 --> 00:28:59,360
considered and that's that

811
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:01,600
you don't have to destroy the other

812
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:02,480
opponent

813
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:04,000
all you have to do is win by the

814
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:06,159
slightest margin so if you get to any

815
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:07,840
point where you can calculate it out all

816
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:08,960
the way and say i'll win by the

817
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:10,000
slightest merger

818
00:29:16,549 --> 00:29:13,360
so the the point is that strategically

819
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:16,559
this kind of next level thinking was

820
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:20,320
done by the computer and what does that

821
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:20,880
mean

822
00:29:24,710 --> 00:29:23,440
when we make the the transition as

823
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,720
you're talking about

824
00:29:28,389 --> 00:29:26,880
in terms of saying you know what really

825
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:28,399
this is what i hear you saying and i

826
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:29,520
want you to speak to

827
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,200
because i never knew this until i read

828
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:33,520
your book is that i always thought

829
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:35,120
quantum computing

830
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:37,760
would be limited to certain classes of

831
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:38,880
problems

832
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:41,840
because right now that's the only thing

833
00:29:44,950 --> 00:29:42,399
we can

834
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:44,960
apply it to and what i hear you saying

835
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:46,159
in the book is

836
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:47,520
yeah well that's where we're at now but

837
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:48,720
eventually we'll be able to do

838
00:29:51,350 --> 00:29:49,600
everything with it

839
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:51,360
because it's closer to the source of how

840
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:53,039
everything really works

841
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:56,320
yeah absolutely yeah and

842
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:59,200
imagine i mean my instinct for going and

843
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:00,960
working on my phd was

844
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:03,919
what if we could take any algorithm and

845
00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:05,919
parallelize it and speed it up using

846
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:08,480
quantum computing right and

847
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:11,360
the question is is that what we're doing

848
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:12,159
with our mind

849
00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,840
anyhow you know and

850
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:17,760
so we only have a limited sense of what

851
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:18,960
algorithms actually

852
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:22,720
speed up but gosh if you're cheating

853
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:25,200
and you have this infinite dimensional

854
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:28,080
hyperspace that you have tapped into

855
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,200
then and essentially you it's think of

856
00:30:35,909 --> 00:30:33,440
it as both computing and memory i mean

857
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,919
think of it as a computing a simulator

858
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:37,679
big enough to run

859
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:40,960
the entire physical universe in

860
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:44,240
that's a pretty powerful computing

861
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:48,080
paradigm and it's really there

862
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:49,520
because otherwise quantum computing

863
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:51,120
wouldn't work and quantum computing is

864
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:52,720
the basis of all our physics

865
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:54,399
including the big bang and black holes

866
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:57,039
and everything else so

867
00:31:02,230 --> 00:31:00,159
it's there how do we tap into it is the

868
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:02,240
big question

869
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:04,080
so let me see if i understand what

870
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:05,760
you're saying because i i took this out

871
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:06,960
of the book but you just

872
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,960
kind of made it click for me in a

873
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:10,159
different way

874
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,600
and that's that if we understand

875
00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:14,880
everything you're saying

876
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:17,919
about quantum physics and more

877
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,799
importantly

878
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:20,480
but i hate new terms you know like

879
00:31:24,149 --> 00:31:22,080
source science i think throws everybody

880
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:24,159
what the hell do we need a new term for

881
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:27,519
what we do what's that i didn't want to

882
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:29,120
use spirited science so i tried to come

883
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:29,760
up with a

884
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:32,080
slightly more technical terms yeah and

885
00:31:34,549 --> 00:31:33,600
spirited science doesn't really work

886
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:34,559
either because we don't know what the

887
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,760
hell spirits are

888
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:37,679
you know absolutely i think what you're

889
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:38,799
what i hear you saying

890
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:42,000
is why you know the other thing other

891
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:42,320
than

892
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:44,000
science as we know it which has been

893
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:46,080
completely falsified and is dopey and

894
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:47,840
leads us in the wrong direction

895
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:50,080
why the other science the real science

896
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,960
behind it

897
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:52,399
and then but what i heard you just say a

898
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:54,000
minute ago i want you to speak up

899
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:57,039
speak to is that

900
00:32:02,149 --> 00:31:59,360
you you hypothesized what if we could

901
00:32:05,110 --> 00:32:02,159
improve the efficiency or the processing

902
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:05,120
of the processes slash algorithms that

903
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:05,919
are already

904
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:08,000
operating what i hear you really saying

905
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:09,120
is that

906
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:11,519
your emotions are operating on that

907
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:12,240
heart math

908
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,279
is operating on that your intuition is

909
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,679
operating on that your law of attraction

910
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,440
is operating on all that

911
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,600
so you don't realize it and you've been

912
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:23,279
convinced that all that's woo-woo and

913
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:24,799
you don't have to pay any attention to

914
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:25,039
it

915
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,559
but if we know anything about this

916
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:28,720
source science then we know that there

917
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:30,480
seems to be some underlying reality to

918
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:31,840
that and maybe we need to

919
00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:34,240
pay attention to it and understand how

920
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:35,600
it's processing

921
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:39,039
reality yeah absolutely a lot of people

922
00:32:41,029 --> 00:32:40,480
are working on law of attraction call it

923
00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:41,039
source

924
00:32:46,230 --> 00:32:45,600
science um to tap it into connected to

925
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:46,240
the law of

926
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:49,600
law of attraction

927
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,480
does what it does independent of whether

928
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:54,320
you believe in it or not

929
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:56,080
it's just like gravity works independent

930
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:57,360
of whether you believe in it or not

931
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:58,080
right

932
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,919
and most people don't realize that

933
00:33:02,630 --> 00:33:01,360
relativity is also

934
00:33:04,710 --> 00:33:02,640
doing its thing independent whether you

935
00:33:06,630 --> 00:33:04,720
believe it or not but guess what if you

936
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:06,640
didn't believe in it none of our gps's

937
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:07,279
would work

938
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:09,919
all the satellites in up in space have

939
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:11,519
to synchronize their clocks with respect

940
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:12,480
to relativity

941
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:14,799
or none of our gps would work so whether

942
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:17,519
you believe it or not is immaterial now

943
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:20,480
if you were to believe in it what could

944
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:21,200
you do

945
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:24,480
with it and that's the big insight i'm

946
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:26,080
trying to get people to say

947
00:33:30,230 --> 00:33:29,600
it's reality let's use it and this isn't

948
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:30,240
about

949
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,760
accelerating humans

950
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,519
not about accelerating our machines if

951
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:37,200
you want to think about it that way

952
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:38,960
yeah well if we have time we're going to

953
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:41,679
have a good little talk about that

954
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:44,399
i'm going to wind us back to uh dean

955
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:45,360
rayden

956
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:46,880
yeah you have a lot of respect for dean

957
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:48,640
rayden so do i thank you

958
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:51,360
and i want to go back to that experiment

959
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:53,039
because

960
00:33:56,630 --> 00:33:55,760
this history of the double slit slash

961
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:56,640
consciousness

962
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,880
slash tree falls in the forest

963
00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:00,559
experiment

964
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:03,679
was obscured from our understanding for

965
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:04,960
the longest time

966
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:07,919
so richard feynman's awesome but richard

967
00:34:11,190 --> 00:34:08,480
feynman

968
00:34:12,550 --> 00:34:11,200
was also the shut up and calculate guy

969
00:34:14,310 --> 00:34:12,560
whether he was that

970
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,320
whether he wanted to be or not it was

971
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:16,560
like hey screw all your stupid

972
00:34:20,149 --> 00:34:18,560
philosophical mysticism

973
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:20,159
let's build some stuff because we got to

974
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:21,760
build this dang up the time i just built

975
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,399
that atomic bomb we were working on and

976
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:26,639
that was great we saved the world that's

977
00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:27,599
what you want to believe

978
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:30,560
so yeah really so it's like okay let's

979
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:30,960
you know

980
00:34:34,550 --> 00:34:32,720
use this stuff because just like you're

981
00:34:38,550 --> 00:34:34,560
talking about now you know but

982
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:38,560
so with yeah with respect for the fact

983
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:41,839
that we don't want to destroy ourselves

984
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:43,359
right but a lot of those people didn't

985
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:44,720
have that respect or have that

986
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:45,599
sensibility

987
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,320
or even if they did their bosses didn't

988
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:49,919
you know their bosses thought different

989
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:50,720
about it and

990
00:34:53,990 --> 00:34:52,159
if we go back and look through history

991
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:54,000
and particularly we look at the missile

992
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:54,879
crisis

993
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,359
and uh in the 60s there were a bunch of

994
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:59,040
very serious people that didn't have

995
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:00,880
that sensibility and we're like yeah

996
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:04,000
maybe we can survive this we'll kill 30

997
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:05,440
million of theirs and they'll only kill

998
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:06,960
10 million of ours and then we can you

999
00:35:09,349 --> 00:35:07,280
know

1000
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:09,359
those were the those are the

1001
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:10,880
calculations that a lot of people were

1002
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:11,359
doing

1003
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:13,520
back then and maybe still today in

1004
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:14,960
places we don't know about

1005
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:17,119
but back to our buddy dean rayden dean

1006
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:18,160
braden says hey

1007
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,680
you guys have lost your way

1008
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:23,520
on this double slit experiment you've

1009
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:25,680
turned it into this hokey oh

1010
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:28,560
it doesn't matter just put it over here

1011
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:30,160
on the side call it the observer

1012
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,640
effect just like we say uh you know the

1013
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:34,480
placebo effect and we label it and then

1014
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,440
we forget it

1015
00:35:39,190 --> 00:35:37,440
and then dean rayden did an experiment

1016
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:39,200
that kind of

1017
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:41,359
just nailed it down once and for all do

1018
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:42,480
you want to describe

1019
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:43,680
that experiment because i've heard a

1020
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:45,760
video where you did

1021
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:49,359
yeah the the he took the standard

1022
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:52,240
physics twin slit experiment and then

1023
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,000
but he completely automated it so that

1024
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,000
it could be running by itself

1025
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:58,720
gathering statistics and he used a um a

1026
00:36:02,390 --> 00:35:59,359
lightning

1027
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,400
light detector in the back okay and he

1028
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,320
and he used it where he used the single

1029
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:06,720
single um electron case i think is is

1030
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:08,079
where only one electron was going

1031
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,520
through so it wasn't

1032
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:11,680
any kind of group for dynamics it was

1033
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:14,000
one electron going through both slits

1034
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:17,680
right and then he collected the data

1035
00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:20,880
without anybody paying attention to it

1036
00:36:24,950 --> 00:36:23,440
and then he paid it as collected more

1037
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:24,960
data during the experiment when people

1038
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,680
were saying

1039
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,599
put your attention on this and try to

1040
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:29,040
affect the result

1041
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:30,880
and it showed that consciousness and

1042
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:33,119
intention can directly

1043
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:34,720
impact quantum mechanics even though

1044
00:36:40,710 --> 00:36:37,200
it's shield from the entire world

1045
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:40,720
and that is nobel prize level

1046
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:43,119
work okay people have gotten nobel

1047
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:44,400
prizes for a lot less

1048
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:47,440
okay right and

1049
00:36:52,150 --> 00:36:50,720
so the point is he every

1050
00:36:53,990 --> 00:36:52,160
everybody in science should have been

1051
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,000
saying wow

1052
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,400
this changes everything and it was kind

1053
00:37:00,310 --> 00:36:58,560
of ignored you know and so

1054
00:37:01,750 --> 00:37:00,320
my hat's off to dean for thinking of the

1055
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:01,760
experiment and then

1056
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:03,440
getting the funding and getting the work

1057
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:05,119
to get it done and then putting it

1058
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:06,560
online so people could interact with it

1059
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:07,520
remotely

1060
00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,320
so he he did all that over many years

1061
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:12,079
and published the results

1062
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:14,480
so he deserves all the credit doing all

1063
00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:15,520
of that

1064
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:17,599
and now that we have that as a model i

1065
00:37:21,190 --> 00:37:19,280
got two more experiments that we can do

1066
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:21,200
that are similar to that that shows

1067
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:22,240
fundamentally that

1068
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,839
consciousness and quantum mechanics are

1069
00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:25,280
fundamentally

1070
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,599
tied together here's the here you want

1071
00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:29,760
to hear what one of those are

1072
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:33,119
okay take the entangled experiment

1073
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,880
entanglement experiment that would you

1074
00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:36,400
would test to see if the two things were

1075
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:37,520
entanglement

1076
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:40,560
any time you have statistics that are

1077
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:41,119
not

1078
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:42,960
that are abnormal it means some kind of

1079
00:37:46,390 --> 00:37:44,240
physics is going on right

1080
00:37:47,910 --> 00:37:46,400
an entanglement shows that if you some

1081
00:37:50,950 --> 00:37:47,920
have something that's entangled

1082
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,960
it's correlated on the other sides so

1083
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:52,400
they're either both the same or both

1084
00:37:57,910 --> 00:37:55,119
opposite depending on how it's prepared

1085
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:57,920
they're they're correlated and you can't

1086
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:59,839
determine that unless you compare notes

1087
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,640
right

1088
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:03,119
but there's two sides there's either

1089
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:04,079
they're

1090
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:07,680
both the same or both opposite or it's

1091
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,280
destroyed so it's random and they're not

1092
00:38:12,150 --> 00:38:11,200
correlated at all right well you could

1093
00:38:13,910 --> 00:38:12,160
use

1094
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:13,920
an intention experiment to affect

1095
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:16,320
entanglement now what's different about

1096
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,520
that

1097
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:19,680
is the only way you let's say you could

1098
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:20,560
flip it

1099
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:23,839
from being aligned to be opposite a line

1100
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:25,119
let's say you could do that with your

1101
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:26,079
mind

1102
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,960
the only way to do that without

1103
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:30,960
destroying the entanglement state and

1104
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,560
still have it be correlated

1105
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:34,640
is that if your mind could touch both

1106
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,800
ends of the entangled state at the same

1107
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:37,920
time

1108
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:40,160
and that you can't fake no matter how

1109
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:41,119
you try it

1110
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:42,720
so that's my other experiment that i'd

1111
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:44,880
like to go get done

1112
00:38:50,950 --> 00:38:48,240
um so that's another example of

1113
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,960
his insight allowed us to think about

1114
00:38:54,150 --> 00:38:52,800
even more fantastic experiments like

1115
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,160
that

1116
00:38:58,829 --> 00:38:56,560
you mentioned in the book there's like a

1117
00:39:03,109 --> 00:38:58,839
lot of these little kind of almost

1118
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,119
throwaway lines that could be

1119
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,760
yeah like a nobel prize-winning research

1120
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:06,960
kind of thing

1121
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:09,359
one of the things about that experiment

1122
00:39:13,349 --> 00:39:11,119
is

1123
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:13,359
what does that experiment say about time

1124
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:14,880
travel

1125
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:18,960
and what does that experiment say about

1126
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:22,560
where we where our consciousness

1127
00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:25,119
exists because there's some really

1128
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:25,680
really deep

1129
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:28,640
implications to what what is what does

1130
00:39:31,990 --> 00:39:29,200
space

1131
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:32,000
even mean now what is time even

1132
00:39:36,150 --> 00:39:33,280
obviously what does time

1133
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:36,160
even mean and then you would be showing

1134
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:38,720
that on this kind of physical 3d level

1135
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:48,630
yeah the point is as soon as you start

1136
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:50,079
getting comfortable with the universe is

1137
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:52,160
really hyper dimensional

1138
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:54,839
you you do exactly what you just did

1139
00:39:59,589 --> 00:39:57,599
question everything okay

1140
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:59,599
and most physicists never go there you

1141
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:00,720
know they just

1142
00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:03,359
they they don't even want to think about

1143
00:40:06,150 --> 00:40:03,760
it

1144
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:06,160
and and even the mathematicians hardly

1145
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,359
think about it

1146
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:09,839
but think about this if your

1147
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:10,800
consciousness

1148
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:13,920
is not in the brain where is it

1149
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:16,880
and what is it made of and my belief is

1150
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:17,520
that it's

1151
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:20,560
bits at the this proto-dimensional bits

1152
00:40:23,589 --> 00:40:21,760
at the quantum level that

1153
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,599
still make up quantum mechanics that's

1154
00:40:29,829 --> 00:40:25,359
what thoughts are made of

1155
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:29,839
and those thoughts are nowhere

1156
00:40:34,150 --> 00:40:32,240
and know when and everywhere and

1157
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:34,160
everyone in other words they're outside

1158
00:40:38,230 --> 00:40:35,520
space and time

1159
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:38,240
they have to be even quantum mechanics

1160
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:39,839
has to be outside of space and time

1161
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,240
otherwise entanglement wouldn't work

1162
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,160
right you can't have non-locality if

1163
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,400
you're in space

1164
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,319
so that that you're you're chuckling

1165
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:50,640
there but it's a super profound point

1166
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:52,880
explain back to your experiment that

1167
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:54,880
you're going to run there doug

1168
00:40:59,510 --> 00:40:57,359
let's hope yeah let's do that where

1169
00:41:02,790 --> 00:40:59,520
where are those two

1170
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,800
entangled bits where where are they

1171
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:04,560
where could they be potentially

1172
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:06,560
could they be really close together

1173
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:07,839
could they be really

1174
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:10,400
far apart does it even make sense to

1175
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,359
talk about them

1176
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:13,680
as being close together or far apart

1177
00:41:16,230 --> 00:41:15,599
when they have this entangled property

1178
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:16,240
two of them

1179
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:19,520
yeah yeah well you're familiar with flat

1180
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,640
world right

1181
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:22,480
this notion that you only have two

1182
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,920
dimensions and that third dimension

1183
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,599
doesn't make any sense well we're stuck

1184
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:27,280
in a three-dimensional world and

1185
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:28,880
we have a hard time understanding what

1186
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,560
for a four-dimensional thing is

1187
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,720
but in a four-dimensional object like

1188
00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,560
like any like an entangled bit is a four

1189
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:36,560
dimensional object

1190
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:39,680
that extra dimension is local to it so

1191
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:39,920
it

1192
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:46,960
a four dimensional hypercube but

1193
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:49,280
there's some videos out there about if

1194
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:50,720
you take a four dimensional hypercube it

1195
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:51,359
looks like

1196
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:53,200
a cube nested within a cube and then you

1197
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:55,200
start rotating it and it like turns in

1198
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,400
on itself you know

1199
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:58,720
we have a hard time imagining that well

1200
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:59,920
what if you thought that the

1201
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:01,040
consciousness was

1202
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:02,720
a million dimensions then how do you

1203
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:04,720
think about it so one i guess one of my

1204
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:07,119
strengths is i can envision

1205
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:10,160
hyper dimensional spaces really well

1206
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:12,400
and that's how i'm able to do this

1207
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:13,680
without getting lost

1208
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:16,960
now how can i ex use words to explain

1209
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,079
somebody who's caught in three

1210
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:20,480
dimensions how to do that

1211
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,920
it's hard to do that you could have to

1212
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:23,200
kind of do it with insight and

1213
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,319
mathematics

1214
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:26,000
and so some of the neural computing

1215
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:27,760
stuff i talk about the correlational

1216
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:28,800
algorithm stuff

1217
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:31,040
that i talk about in there allows you to

1218
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,880
start using mathematics to look not only

1219
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:34,560
at quantum computing higher dimensional

1220
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,440
spaces but

1221
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:36,960
near how it's related to neural

1222
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:39,359
computing those

1223
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:41,119
gets you to start thinking about hyper

1224
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:42,960
dimensional spaces

1225
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:49,520
exist in space and time so

1226
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,560
what is the paradigm then it's

1227
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:54,720
just like entangled bits it's what's

1228
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:56,079
called space

1229
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:59,280
like convention which is a physics term

1230
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:01,599
and it basically says these two points

1231
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,000
in our space time

1232
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:06,480
are not be able to be connected by

1233
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:07,520
something that's

1234
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,119
running at the speed of light and that's

1235
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:13,440
space light versus timeline versus light

1236
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:15,040
like and once you realize

1237
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:16,800
consciousness is space-like then it's

1238
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:18,319
like well of course it can't fit in the

1239
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:18,720
brain

1240
00:43:23,270 --> 00:43:21,520
it's space-like and then where is it

1241
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,280
it's everywhere and nowhere

1242
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:26,160
so i want to go down this path of the

1243
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:26,640
law

1244
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:29,920
of attraction thing and yeah

1245
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:32,160
yeah i think it's it it brings up so

1246
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:33,440
many of the

1247
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:35,200
kind of cool stuff that you're talking

1248
00:43:38,829 --> 00:43:36,880
about in the bridge to metaphysics it

1249
00:43:42,069 --> 00:43:38,839
also brings up some of the really

1250
00:43:45,030 --> 00:43:42,079
uh troublesome parts you know i mean

1251
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:45,040
jay-z knight she's created this cult and

1252
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:46,960
is channeling rampa maybe she is maybe

1253
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:47,920
she isn't

1254
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:49,760
but she's also smoking cigarettes off

1255
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:51,200
the side of the stage and talking about

1256
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:52,880
scamming people by

1257
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:55,359
buying horses for 350 and selling them

1258
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:56,960
for 150 000

1259
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:59,040
and so there's all this stuff and that's

1260
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,880
all been revealed by

1261
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,400
insiders and i haven't talked to

1262
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:04,480
recently uh uh

1263
00:44:08,790 --> 00:44:07,119
a member of that cult people don't like

1264
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:08,800
the term cult i don't know

1265
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,839
i don't know what you want to call it

1266
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,520
whatever but that's you know they were

1267
00:44:15,109 --> 00:44:12,960
the people behind the

1268
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:15,119
secret movie that popularized the law of

1269
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,480
attraction way back when that doesn't

1270
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:18,000
mean that that's the only way to look at

1271
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:18,480
it

1272
00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:23,040
but i digress like i like to because

1273
00:44:27,430 --> 00:44:26,079
in the book deep reality that everybody

1274
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:27,440
has to read because

1275
00:44:31,109 --> 00:44:29,280
if you're at amazon unlimited you get it

1276
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:31,119
you can read it for free

1277
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:33,839
but go ahead and buy the paperback so

1278
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:34,720
doug and

1279
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,480
dr at least get a couple of bucks from

1280
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:40,400
this do you offer signed copies of it or

1281
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:41,520
anything like that

1282
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:44,319
well with the with the uh i mean i have

1283
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:45,920
author copies okay

1284
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:48,240
um i just don't have a way of mailing

1285
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:49,359
them easily

1286
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:52,240
go to the post office so i i know you

1287
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:53,280
know

1288
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:54,880
so at some point i'm going to do that

1289
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:56,160
but let's say it might be a year from

1290
00:44:59,109 --> 00:44:56,880
now

1291
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:59,119
okay people have asked me and i'm like

1292
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:00,400
woof god i

1293
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:03,440
so appreciate you asking but what a pain

1294
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:05,119
in the ass

1295
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:08,319
but anyways it yeah so back to

1296
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:11,119
uh you know deep reality and the law of

1297
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:12,480
attraction thing

1298
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:15,599
yeah one of the things that again is a

1299
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:17,040
little bit uncomfortable to talk about

1300
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:18,800
but i love the way you approach it

1301
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:22,800
is what about people who are really

1302
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,160
really smart

1303
00:45:27,589 --> 00:45:26,160
what do we do with that like you're

1304
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,599
really really smart

1305
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:29,280
and like you just said you have this

1306
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:30,880
ability to

1307
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:33,520
you know be comfortable with

1308
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,599
hyper-dimensional realities

1309
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:37,359
and be able to process that information

1310
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,960
in your head and then you're an

1311
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,800
effective communicator enough to

1312
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:42,480
tell that to other people and i don't

1313
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,680
want to put other people down because

1314
00:45:47,190 --> 00:45:45,440
there's people who have you know

1315
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,200
quote unquote disabilities and they turn

1316
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:49,440
out to be super gifted and super off the

1317
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,880
charts we all get that

1318
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:52,800
but on another level that we don't often

1319
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:55,280
talk about there's just people that

1320
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:57,760
are are smarter and then when you talk

1321
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:59,440
about it in the book from a metaphysical

1322
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,079
standpoint

1323
00:46:03,109 --> 00:46:02,640
and an extended consciousness as i like

1324
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:03,119
to

1325
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:05,040
call it standpoint it gets really

1326
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:06,480
interesting because there's all

1327
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:08,880
sorts of people that have uh

1328
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:10,640
transcendental experiences

1329
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:14,160
where they enter in this space where

1330
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,800
they are

1331
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:16,640
really smart right so people have a

1332
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:18,800
near-death experience and they say

1333
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:22,160
stuff like before i could even

1334
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:25,520
formulate the question the answer

1335
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:29,200
was in my head they say stuff like i

1336
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:32,400
knew everything i don't know how else to

1337
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,200
put it but

1338
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:36,000
everything i could possibly think of i

1339
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:37,359
knew the answer to

1340
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:38,800
and then they say something interesting

1341
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:41,200
as it relates to both your book and your

1342
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:42,000
understanding this

1343
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:45,680
reality is that when i came back in

1344
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:48,560
and i jammed it back inside my body

1345
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:51,040
inside that antenna of my brain

1346
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:53,119
and it wasn't like that i can't tell you

1347
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:55,440
now everything that i knew

1348
00:47:02,230 --> 00:46:59,280
so what do you think about

1349
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:02,240
that and then then we'll go from there

1350
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:03,280
because i also want to talk about

1351
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,079
augmented reality and artificial reality

1352
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:08,079
and artificial intelligence as it

1353
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:09,040
relates to that

1354
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:12,319
but start with just don't we have to

1355
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:13,760
come to grips with

1356
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:15,040
there are going to be some people who

1357
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,480
are going to be smart enough to

1358
00:47:19,270 --> 00:47:18,000
understand some of this stuff and

1359
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:19,280
there's going to be some people who

1360
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:23,440
aren't yeah well

1361
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:26,319
i believe ultimately everybody whether

1362
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,440
they're

1363
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:30,160
aware of it or not are constructed this

1364
00:47:34,309 --> 00:47:30,960
way

1365
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:34,319
in other words we're not some of us

1366
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:35,920
have a mind outside of our brain and

1367
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:38,480
others don't you know in other words

1368
00:47:40,790 --> 00:47:40,079
that some of us our brain is our mind

1369
00:47:42,470 --> 00:47:40,800
and others

1370
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:42,480
the mind is separate from the brain i

1371
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:43,520
don't think that's the case i think

1372
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:44,960
we're all the same and that's probably

1373
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:47,040
true for animals as well

1374
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:50,800
so the reason i say that is because

1375
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:53,839
everybody is sort of like focused in on

1376
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,880
space

1377
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:56,720
on their brain but as soon as you can

1378
00:48:01,910 --> 00:47:59,119
release that a little bit then you can

1379
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:01,920
realize that there is you can tap into

1380
00:48:06,790 --> 00:48:03,040
those higher dimensions

1381
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:06,800
and so everybody can have

1382
00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,119
this divine experience if you want to

1383
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,960
call it you know tasting the divine as i

1384
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:12,960
call it i've done it several times

1385
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:14,880
in my life one at the monroe institute

1386
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:16,559
and other times as well

1387
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,160
and where you go oh i'm

1388
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,720
test tasting the divine i i get what

1389
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:24,240
they're talking about i

1390
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:26,480
commune literally talked and they talked

1391
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:28,640
back with four-leaf clovers

1392
00:48:33,270 --> 00:48:31,920
and you could think my spirit guys were

1393
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:33,280
giving me physics lessons

1394
00:48:38,630 --> 00:48:36,559
i mean it's like huh this

1395
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,640
isn't made up because i didn't invent

1396
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:40,400
that stuff it's coming from the outside

1397
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,720
and

1398
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:42,800
so as long as you can realize that you

1399
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:44,079
can distinguish between

1400
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:46,240
your inside thoughts and thoughts that

1401
00:48:50,069 --> 00:48:47,520
are coming from

1402
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:50,079
somewhere and you can discriminate

1403
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:51,599
between that then you can say ah

1404
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,480
insight is coming from my higher self

1405
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:56,480
however you want to label it or

1406
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:58,240
my spirit guides or whatever you want to

1407
00:49:04,069 --> 00:48:59,599
call it right

1408
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:04,079
and so law of attraction is all about

1409
00:49:10,630 --> 00:49:08,400
things with similar meaning somehow

1410
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,640
have to be near each other that you can

1411
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:12,160
attract them right that's what law of

1412
00:49:17,109 --> 00:49:13,760
attraction is all about

1413
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,119
but physics gives you no mechanism

1414
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:19,440
for meaning it's not electromagnetic

1415
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:20,480
it's not gravity

1416
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:23,280
it's not quark there is no there's not

1417
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:24,480
magnetic

1418
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:26,000
there is no mechanism for law of

1419
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:28,000
attraction so you have to have a

1420
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,319
hyperdimensional model and that's

1421
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:32,640
sort of how it bridges the quantum to

1422
00:49:40,790 --> 00:49:35,440
the to the neural model that i have

1423
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:43,670
rely on hyper-dimensional spaces and the

1424
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:46,319
properties of hyper-dimensional spaces

1425
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:50,079
so in your mind law of attraction you

1426
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:51,760
it's just like an ebit ebit is four

1427
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:53,280
dimensions well your mind is a million

1428
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:54,240
dimensions

1429
00:49:59,270 --> 00:49:57,680
and you can attract like-minded things

1430
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:59,280
in that hyper-dimensional space as like

1431
00:50:00,870 --> 00:50:00,480
you're a little spaceship traveling

1432
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:00,880
around

1433
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,480
picking up things and collecting things

1434
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,240
and bringing things near you

1435
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:06,640
and so they show up whether you believe

1436
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,599
in it or not

1437
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:09,599
just because that's how our mind works

1438
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:11,280
that's how our memory works our memory

1439
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:11,839
is

1440
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:15,440
hyper-dimensional space you don't need a

1441
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:16,640
memory in your brain

1442
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:19,119
it's it's already stored in a way that

1443
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:20,800
can never be destroyed and that's what

1444
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,559
you have when you have a life review

1445
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:24,240
all of a sudden you're not in time

1446
00:50:27,990 --> 00:50:26,000
anymore and you're all of a sudden

1447
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:28,000
open to all thoughts that you've ever

1448
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:29,760
had

1449
00:50:33,430 --> 00:50:31,599
and you see that as a life review so

1450
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,440
again we're touching on several things

1451
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:35,680
hyper dimensional space and how

1452
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,680
that can support these divine

1453
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:39,200
experiences and this expanded

1454
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:41,760
consciousness and expanded awareness

1455
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:43,520
there's no space and time that's how

1456
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:44,800
it's possible

1457
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:48,160
did that help at all yeah you know i

1458
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:49,200
just wrote a book

1459
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:51,839
why evil matters how science and

1460
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:53,680
religion fumble the big one

1461
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:56,240
and the premise of the book is that when

1462
00:51:02,549 --> 00:50:58,960
we begin to start talking about

1463
00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:02,559
these extended realities

1464
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:05,599
and and we have to to that maybe

1465
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,960
evil is a lens for understanding that

1466
00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:10,880
and that drives us to the moral

1467
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:12,079
imperative question

1468
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:14,640
you know is there right and wrong is

1469
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:15,520
there good

1470
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:18,400
is there god how these are things that

1471
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:19,119
you are not

1472
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:22,720
uncomfortable talking about in the book

1473
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:25,839
but i do kind of feel like

1474
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:27,599
you're not kind of squaring up

1475
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:29,040
completely with

1476
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:31,599
uh with what's going on because first of

1477
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:32,720
all you you're

1478
00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:36,319
what you just said about science is are

1479
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:39,520
i no longer believe that uh scientific

1480
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:41,440
materialism scientism

1481
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:44,240
is accidental and i think this is a

1482
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:44,800
major

1483
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,880
failing of of the frontier science

1484
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:48,400
community is that they're

1485
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:50,640
totally they've been brainwashed against

1486
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:52,880
any kind of conspiratorial thinking

1487
00:51:56,309 --> 00:51:54,800
even though conspiracies are all around

1488
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:56,319
us from the you know we go back and look

1489
00:52:00,230 --> 00:51:58,160
at histories and go oh gee the romans it

1490
00:52:01,910 --> 00:52:00,240
was just one conspiracy after another

1491
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:01,920
that's how they ran the whole thing oh

1492
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:03,520
we look at any point in history go oh my

1493
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:05,200
god it's one conspiracy after no that's

1494
00:52:08,390 --> 00:52:06,240
how they ran the whole thing

1495
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:08,400
then we look at our time and go whoa

1496
00:52:13,910 --> 00:52:09,359
glad we're not

1497
00:52:16,710 --> 00:52:13,920
you yeah well the the idea that

1498
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:16,720
the science as we know it has pushed

1499
00:52:20,870 --> 00:52:18,079
this kind of absurd

1500
00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:20,880
notion that wouldn't fit in any other uh

1501
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:22,000
time in history

1502
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,520
that we're biological robots and

1503
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:25,280
meaningless universe that consciousness

1504
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,839
is an illusion it's it's a complete it's

1505
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:29,040
a complete game

1506
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,720
but what is the purpose of it the

1507
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:32,400
purpose of it to me seems

1508
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:35,040
kind of clear it's a psyop it's a social

1509
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:36,079
engineering project

1510
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,480
and if i want to control people i sure

1511
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:40,240
as hell won't i don't want them thinking

1512
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:43,359
they are uh limitless expansive divine

1513
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:44,240
beings

1514
00:52:47,990 --> 00:52:45,760
i want them to think that they're

1515
00:52:50,390 --> 00:52:48,000
they're meaningless number one and that

1516
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:50,400
they don't really have any power

1517
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:52,160
and then it's okay to be depressed it's

1518
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,000
okay to be unhealthy it's okay to be

1519
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:56,880
all these other things i think science i

1520
00:53:02,470 --> 00:52:58,640
think that's one of the missteps here

1521
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:02,480
science is humming along just the way

1522
00:53:07,750 --> 00:53:05,760
it wants to be and the the real players

1523
00:53:09,750 --> 00:53:07,760
of course in the invisible college they

1524
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:09,760
never bought into any of this

1525
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:10,640
or are they

1526
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:13,040
you know i mean back to feynman so maybe

1527
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:13,680
feynman

1528
00:53:17,109 --> 00:53:15,760
really thought that for a while but you

1529
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:17,119
know einstein at the end of his life

1530
00:53:19,109 --> 00:53:17,440
goes

1531
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:19,119
okay i give up yeah it's not that and

1532
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:20,960
maybe feynman did too but certainly you

1533
00:53:24,549 --> 00:53:22,079
know you mentioned the guys i always

1534
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:24,559
mentioned the guy's ad uh

1535
00:53:28,230 --> 00:53:26,000
you know these other guys would also

1536
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:28,240
have the same thoughts so uh how was it

1537
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:30,800
it ti imagined it was both you know some

1538
00:53:33,750 --> 00:53:31,680
people kind of see

1539
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,760
it for the absurdity that it is and

1540
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:35,359
others probably just saw hey i just got

1541
00:53:38,549 --> 00:53:36,720
to do my job but

1542
00:53:39,910 --> 00:53:38,559
like stargate you know russell targen

1543
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:39,920
and hal put off i mean

1544
00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:41,680
they're working with it you know they're

1545
00:53:45,190 --> 00:53:44,079
not pretending that consciousness is an

1546
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:45,200
illusion

1547
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:47,359
and what was it with your work at ti was

1548
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:49,839
it expansive in that kind of expanded

1549
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:51,599
consciousness thing or no just kind of

1550
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:52,480
make the changes

1551
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,319
but the good news ti was a big company

1552
00:54:00,309 --> 00:53:58,319
and i had gotten to a point where i was

1553
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,319
a senior member of technical staff

1554
00:54:04,549 --> 00:54:03,119
and i realized how to use the system so

1555
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:04,559
i like

1556
00:54:07,750 --> 00:54:06,559
got special funding inside the company

1557
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,760
to go and do

1558
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:10,000
two conferences on physics and computing

1559
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:10,960
you know so i

1560
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:12,960
basically doing my job full-time and

1561
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:14,640
running these two conferences over four

1562
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,440
years

1563
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:17,280
and the own and the previous owner of

1564
00:54:21,990 --> 00:54:18,800
those conferences was

1565
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:22,000
was uh tom toffley in 1981 and richard

1566
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:23,280
finally was the keynote speaker but

1567
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:24,079
nobody had had

1568
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:26,240
a conference like that since for 11

1569
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:27,599
years until i did it

1570
00:54:31,270 --> 00:54:29,680
and i stumbled into it and had ralph

1571
00:54:32,710 --> 00:54:31,280
landauer as my keynote speaker

1572
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:32,720
and had a hundred people show up on the

1573
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,960
first conference so so so the good news

1574
00:54:37,750 --> 00:54:36,000
is it was big enough

1575
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:37,760
but after i did the second one my boss

1576
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:39,520
says if you ever

1577
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:42,640
justify anything that you do using

1578
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:45,599
this this argument again you're gonna

1579
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:47,040
have to go find somewhere else to work

1580
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:48,640
so

1581
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,240
you're gonna have to take off that gold

1582
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:52,319
badge and uh yeah

1583
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,559
you know so i i i worked at ti

1584
00:55:00,069 --> 00:54:59,040
i was in the phd i was in the phd

1585
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:00,079
program at uh

1586
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:02,960
university of uh arizona and i got an

1587
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:04,240
internship by this

1588
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:07,520
awesome guy who uh

1589
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:11,440
um uh warren warren hired me i won't use

1590
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:13,520
his last name but warren

1591
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:15,839
hired me god bless him and then i came

1592
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:18,240
back and i taught classes i was studying

1593
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:20,160
expert systems which is really kind of a

1594
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:21,599
recruit crude

1595
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:24,319
thing but i started my own company

1596
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:26,079
expert systems come in and i went back

1597
00:55:28,390 --> 00:55:27,680
and ti was one of my clients i went

1598
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,400
there all the time

1599
00:55:31,990 --> 00:55:30,480
and it's an amazing culture there's some

1600
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:32,000
super duper smart people

1601
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:33,599
and as you describe it you know one of

1602
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:36,319
the cool things about ti is they did

1603
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:38,240
kind of give people some people who they

1604
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:40,160
recognize as you know truly kind of

1605
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:41,760
genius level they kind of let them run

1606
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:43,119
off and do their thing

1607
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:44,799
but like you said it would rain you back

1608
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:46,160
in uh yeah

1609
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:48,559
i mean i was at the research labs you

1610
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:49,760
know which you'd expect

1611
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,720
to be able to do that kind of stuff so

1612
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:54,400
so what do you what do you think about

1613
00:56:03,430 --> 00:55:54,640
the

1614
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:03,440
government labs i mean shut up and

1615
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:04,880
calculate versus

1616
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:07,920
uh you know mk ultra

1617
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:10,480
let's get into the let's do dissociative

1618
00:56:13,829 --> 00:56:12,240
identity disorder into the extended

1619
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:13,839
consciousness realms

1620
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:16,880
and uh see what we can see what

1621
00:56:20,950 --> 00:56:19,359
we can stir up over in this extended

1622
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:20,960
consciousness

1623
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:22,880
yeah this is an important topic that

1624
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:24,240
you're bringing up here

1625
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:27,200
because how right now most of the

1626
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:30,480
research in this area is like

1627
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:32,720
ai or quantum computing but nobody's

1628
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:34,400
doing consciousness research

1629
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:38,640
in corporations right and i would say

1630
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,640
why not because it's the intersection of

1631
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:42,079
those two right

1632
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:45,119
so you know billions of dollars are

1633
00:56:49,510 --> 00:56:46,640
spent on space travel

1634
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,520
ai and quantum computing billions tens

1635
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,599
of million billions right

1636
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:53,839
this is bigger than that in fact you

1637
00:56:57,990 --> 00:56:54,799
could think of this

1638
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:58,000
my book is a business plan to

1639
00:57:03,030 --> 00:57:01,200
get corporations of the world

1640
00:57:05,109 --> 00:57:03,040
involved in this because it's real

1641
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:05,119
science it's not

1642
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:07,280
it's proto-physics it's not metaphysics

1643
00:57:11,670 --> 00:57:09,040
it's proto-physics it's

1644
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:11,680
imagine if the quantum states quantum

1645
00:57:14,150 --> 00:57:12,160
stuff

1646
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:14,160
was marked as black magic and nobody did

1647
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:15,440
anything about it

1648
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:18,079
our society right now would be no have

1649
00:57:22,870 --> 00:57:19,359
no lasers

1650
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:22,880
no no computers no transistors

1651
00:57:26,309 --> 00:57:25,440
nothing no nothing we would not have

1652
00:57:29,910 --> 00:57:26,319
optical

1653
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:29,920
networks you know if quantum computing

1654
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:32,480
was treated as as something that we

1655
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:34,160
shouldn't work on

1656
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:36,960
by industry our society would be

1657
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:38,480
completely different now and i believe

1658
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:40,400
that in 50 years from now

1659
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:43,440
investments in this area will make our

1660
00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:45,920
world look completely different

1661
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,000
and how do we do that is we have to

1662
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:50,480
balance the science part of it

1663
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:53,520
the spirit side of it and the business

1664
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,680
side of it right those three

1665
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:57,599
and the so that's why i say my book is

1666
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:59,040
the business plan for

1667
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,799
let's get corporate america involved and

1668
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:02,480
start investing the same amount of money

1669
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:03,599
that they're investing all these other

1670
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,480
stuff in

1671
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:06,480
and there's a lot of people who 50

1672
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:08,960
million dollars or 500 million dollars

1673
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:10,480
is a drop in the bucket you know they'd

1674
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:11,760
be happy to go do it if

1675
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:13,280
sort of they had a reason to go do it so

1676
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:15,920
i'm giving them the reason to go do it

1677
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:17,920
and this isn't so this isn't we

1678
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:20,400
shouldn't have just oh can we get 50 000

1679
00:58:23,589 --> 00:58:22,160
to do the experiment no we need to have

1680
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:23,599
a long term

1681
00:58:26,390 --> 00:58:25,359
and and keep the government out of it i

1682
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:26,400
don't think we need the government in

1683
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:27,359
here and this

1684
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:29,599
purpose of this should not be war you

1685
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:30,480
know

1686
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:34,319
society this is like

1687
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:37,839
the next generation um companies that do

1688
00:58:43,510 --> 00:58:41,280
free software right i mean this is like

1689
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:43,520
this is like non-profit organization to

1690
00:58:47,430 --> 00:58:45,359
the to the max you know and it's

1691
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,440
and so think of it all the positive

1692
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,960
things that happen on free software you

1693
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:50,640
know uh

1694
00:58:54,309 --> 00:58:52,319
free software that people free software

1695
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:54,319
corporations and that kind of stuff

1696
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:57,280
so so so there's my vision so you tapped

1697
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:59,040
on you tapped onto a hotspot for me

1698
00:59:01,829 --> 00:59:00,319
because of that

1699
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:01,839
i could be with google but there's this

1700
00:59:04,150 --> 00:59:03,599
other new company that's going to form

1701
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:04,160
that's

1702
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:07,599
not going to be google based well i mean

1703
00:59:11,430 --> 00:59:10,240
and and let's let's understand that at

1704
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:11,440
like a real

1705
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:15,760
at a real level yeah so what do you do

1706
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:18,400
yeah what has google done with the

1707
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:19,760
technology that they

1708
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:23,760
already have which is bordering

1709
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:26,720
your business plan right so what the

1710
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:28,640
technology google has

1711
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:31,520
is they have the alphago technology yeah

1712
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:31,920
exactly

1713
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:33,839
we talked about alphago but what alphago

1714
00:59:38,069 --> 00:59:34,960
really means

1715
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:38,079
is kind of this deep machine learning

1716
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:40,319
right yeah so rather than enough with

1717
00:59:44,829 --> 00:59:42,319
the hardware to speed it up

1718
00:59:45,990 --> 00:59:44,839
yeah so and maybe you want to talk about

1719
00:59:47,270 --> 00:59:46,000
uh but

1720
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:47,280
i'll tell you what i'm going to go on my

1721
00:59:50,069 --> 00:59:48,640
little ranches to finish the thought and

1722
00:59:52,069 --> 00:59:50,079
then you can tell me about what machine

1723
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:52,079
learning

1724
00:59:56,309 --> 00:59:55,040
okay where they're going obviously with

1725
00:59:59,349 --> 00:59:56,319
machine learning

1726
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:59,359
is the that the language would be the

1727
01:00:02,069 --> 01:00:00,000
natural one

1728
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:02,079
right so and they're already doing that

1729
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:03,520
so shadow banning

1730
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:06,240
and restricting who speaks and how they

1731
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:07,760
speak and what they say

1732
01:00:10,710 --> 01:00:09,280
is clearly part of their agenda and

1733
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:10,720
they've implemented it and you know i

1734
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:12,000
have friends in silicon valley

1735
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:13,680
five years when i told them hey my

1736
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:15,200
friends are saying their thing was

1737
01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:16,400
demonetized

1738
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:18,160
they absolutely refused to believe that

1739
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:19,760
they absolutely believe

1740
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:23,119
refused to believe that google would do

1741
01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:26,480
something like just randomly secretly

1742
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:28,880
take some videos and say those no longer

1743
01:00:32,549 --> 01:00:30,960
make any money and we won't explain why

1744
01:00:33,750 --> 01:00:32,559
and we won't have any appeal process

1745
01:00:36,950 --> 01:00:33,760
we'll just do that

1746
01:00:39,030 --> 01:00:36,960
now that's outed on a much more obvious

1747
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:39,040
level some of it is some of it isn't

1748
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:40,079
there's an ai

1749
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:42,000
component behind that what does that

1750
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:43,920
mean when that gets sped up

1751
01:00:47,109 --> 01:00:46,000
10 times faster the same thing with

1752
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:47,119
controlling

1753
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:51,440
ultimately the internet completely

1754
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:53,520
so it's wonderful to think about all the

1755
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:55,280
glorious things that can come out of

1756
01:00:58,069 --> 01:00:55,680
this

1757
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:58,079
but what seems much more immediate for

1758
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:58,799
us

1759
01:01:04,230 --> 01:01:01,200
is all the really scary that could

1760
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:04,240
come out of this with regard to

1761
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:06,799
controlling us so talk a little bit

1762
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:08,880
about machine

1763
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:11,839
machine learning ai strong ai and and

1764
01:01:16,950 --> 01:01:13,440
the downside of it that's right

1765
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:16,960
at knocking at our door yeah well

1766
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:19,599
that's why i'm interested in leveraging

1767
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:21,839
humans rather than leveraging machines

1768
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:24,400
you know so if you look what the message

1769
01:01:28,309 --> 01:01:25,839
is is that

1770
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:28,319
let's let's let's tap into the infinite

1771
01:01:30,549 --> 01:01:29,680
intelligence that's supposed to be

1772
01:01:33,190 --> 01:01:30,559
behind

1773
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:33,200
law of attraction and leverage people

1774
01:01:37,829 --> 01:01:34,319
you know

1775
01:01:39,829 --> 01:01:37,839
what it what if we could meditate

1776
01:01:41,670 --> 01:01:39,839
literally in a deep meditation

1777
01:01:43,990 --> 01:01:41,680
15 minutes a day everybody really do

1778
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:44,000
that and change the sort of like the

1779
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:46,480
thought pattern of the entire world

1780
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:48,960
we would no longer have this kind of

1781
01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:51,599
hate based

1782
01:01:55,990 --> 01:01:54,160
you know competitive environment we

1783
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:56,000
would be realize that we're all

1784
01:01:58,789 --> 01:01:57,039
you know there's there's an argument

1785
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:58,799
that says there's only one consciousness

1786
01:02:01,349 --> 01:01:59,760
in the universe

1787
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:01,359
it's all one and we're all part of that

1788
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:03,359
right and so that's one way of looking

1789
01:02:06,309 --> 01:02:04,799
at it well we realize we're all part of

1790
01:02:07,750 --> 01:02:06,319
the same thing you know and

1791
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:07,760
and that's part of touching the divine

1792
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:10,000
you realize oh we're really all

1793
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,559
part of that subset of that divine and

1794
01:02:16,710 --> 01:02:13,920
we're all really the same thing

1795
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:16,720
and but but as long as we believe that

1796
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:18,480
we're disconnected

1797
01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:21,839
and physical and that's it then nobody's

1798
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:23,039
going to invest

1799
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:24,480
in that and they're going to try to take

1800
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:26,400
technological advantage of it so

1801
01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:28,079
i don't want my machine smarter i want

1802
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:29,520
my people smarter so they can make

1803
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:30,799
better decisions

1804
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:32,480
make more unified decisions more

1805
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:34,799
holistic decisions all that's nice you

1806
01:02:37,589 --> 01:02:35,440
know in the

1807
01:02:39,029 --> 01:02:37,599
in the book that i just wrote rival

1808
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:39,039
matters one of the chapters is this

1809
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:40,799
interview i did with this woman

1810
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:42,000
i always bring this up it's

1811
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:43,920
uncomfortable for people her name is

1812
01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:46,480
annika lucas i know you're interested in

1813
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:47,359
yoga

1814
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:50,720
for years and years

1815
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:52,960
love it from the philosophy standpoint

1816
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:55,200
also appreciate the practice

1817
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:57,520
annika is a yogi she's beautiful she

1818
01:03:01,829 --> 01:02:58,799
does these

1819
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:01,839
training classes with incarcerated women

1820
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:03,119
in upstate new york to

1821
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:05,599
help them overcome trauma because she

1822
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:07,119
knows about overcoming trauma because

1823
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:08,480
it's six years old

1824
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:11,280
in belgium she was sold to a satanic

1825
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:13,280
ritual abuse cult by her mother

1826
01:03:19,510 --> 01:03:17,200
right six years old raped

1827
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:19,520
hundreds and hundreds of times by what

1828
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:21,920
she later identified as world leaders

1829
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:23,760
this is part of the detroit case it's

1830
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:26,319
not like uh it was in the news

1831
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:28,400
it was the pizzagate of its time you

1832
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:30,559
could see the pictures of the kids in

1833
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:31,760
cages

1834
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:34,480
the kids died when dutrow was arrested

1835
01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:37,280
and wasn't able to go

1836
01:03:43,109 --> 01:03:40,319
it's a horrible thing it's real

1837
01:03:43,430 --> 01:03:43,119
what they're doing is they're entering

1838
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:43,440
this

1839
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:45,520
extended consciousness realm and what

1840
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:47,039
they're trying to do with kids

1841
01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:48,480
and what they're trying to do with the

1842
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:50,640
whitley strieber the famous

1843
01:03:54,150 --> 01:03:53,039
abductee who i interviewed just recently

1844
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:54,160
is they're trying to create a

1845
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:55,200
disassociative

1846
01:03:59,670 --> 01:03:57,520
identity disorder kind of situation

1847
01:04:02,230 --> 01:03:59,680
where consciousness can be fragmented

1848
01:04:04,069 --> 01:04:02,240
in order to explore how they can

1849
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:04,079
penetrate that and use that and

1850
01:04:08,950 --> 01:04:06,799
weaponize that in some way

1851
01:04:11,349 --> 01:04:08,960
why would do we think these people

1852
01:04:14,789 --> 01:04:11,359
aren't accessing the quote unquote

1853
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:14,799
divine they are in some ways

1854
01:04:18,950 --> 01:04:17,839
closer to accessing this extended

1855
01:04:20,470 --> 01:04:18,960
consciousness realm

1856
01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:20,480
and they come to a different

1857
01:04:23,109 --> 01:04:22,720
understanding of what they want out of

1858
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:23,119
it

1859
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:26,880
so i'm just i just think until we take a

1860
01:04:29,109 --> 01:04:28,640
broader perspective on that because i'm

1861
01:04:31,029 --> 01:04:29,119
with you

1862
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:31,039
i don't think it's about the darkness i

1863
01:04:35,510 --> 01:04:32,319
think it's about the light

1864
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:35,520
but if we're not willing to understand

1865
01:04:38,789 --> 01:04:37,760
more broadly what extended consciousness

1866
01:04:41,829 --> 01:04:38,799
really means

1867
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,839
i don't think we have a chance at uh

1868
01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:43,680
you know really turning this thing in

1869
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:45,520
any appreciable way yeah

1870
01:04:49,029 --> 01:04:47,440
yeah you're you're you're tapping right

1871
01:04:52,549 --> 01:04:49,039
on your nest notion of evil

1872
01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:52,559
and and values and and things like that

1873
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:54,240
and you know one of the things that

1874
01:04:57,270 --> 01:04:56,000
comes out of the near death experience

1875
01:05:00,390 --> 01:04:57,280
community

1876
01:05:02,950 --> 01:05:00,400
is that especially like

1877
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:02,960
a life review is they say well

1878
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:04,799
essentially there is no judgment about

1879
01:05:08,789 --> 01:05:05,680
what you're doing

1880
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:08,799
essentially you're judging yourself

1881
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:10,880
and you're judging yourself and your

1882
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:12,960
behavior based on how

1883
01:05:15,990 --> 01:05:14,559
it hurts other people in other words

1884
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:16,000
it's not somebody else

1885
01:05:19,349 --> 01:05:17,920
applying that it's like you're feeling

1886
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:19,359
their pain right

1887
01:05:26,549 --> 01:05:24,240
well if if you could actually feel

1888
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:26,559
the pain that you're causing other

1889
01:05:29,430 --> 01:05:27,680
people

1890
01:05:31,029 --> 01:05:29,440
so that you would go oh i don't really

1891
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:31,039
want to do that because that's me i'm

1892
01:05:34,390 --> 01:05:32,319
hurting myself essentially

1893
01:05:35,349 --> 01:05:34,400
it's part of me right this other person

1894
01:05:38,549 --> 01:05:35,359
is really me

1895
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:38,559
it's part of me you know then all of a

1896
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:39,359
sudden

1897
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:42,160
if you could if you could taste that

1898
01:05:44,470 --> 01:05:43,280
anybody who's had a near-death

1899
01:05:45,750 --> 01:05:44,480
experience i don't know of anybody who's

1900
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:45,760
had a near-death experience it turns

1901
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:47,200
into darth vader right

1902
01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:49,920
that's not what they do right they they

1903
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:50,960
preach love and joy

1904
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:52,720
and the reason is they've tasted it and

1905
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:54,160
they understand that's why i call it

1906
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:58,240
tasting the divine because in that state

1907
01:06:01,349 --> 01:06:00,720
people say well love is everything well

1908
01:06:04,789 --> 01:06:01,359
that's

1909
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:04,799
pretty hard for us to swallow when we

1910
01:06:08,789 --> 01:06:06,720
are have a hard time even tasting what

1911
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:08,799
one percent of that might be like

1912
01:06:13,029 --> 01:06:11,280
what if there was infinite intelligence

1913
01:06:15,190 --> 01:06:13,039
infinite emotional intelligence

1914
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:15,200
infinite love it's hard to even talk

1915
01:06:18,309 --> 01:06:16,400
about that on a

1916
01:06:21,190 --> 01:06:18,319
richter scale you know what i'm saying

1917
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:21,200
that it's exponential amount of love

1918
01:06:25,349 --> 01:06:23,920
and so what if people could actually

1919
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:25,359
taste that

1920
01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:26,880
well it would permanently change who

1921
01:06:29,109 --> 01:06:28,319
they are because they would no longer be

1922
01:06:31,589 --> 01:06:29,119
interested in

1923
01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:31,599
abusing and manipulating and other

1924
01:06:35,029 --> 01:06:32,880
people because

1925
01:06:36,789 --> 01:06:35,039
they're doing it's not their motive

1926
01:06:38,630 --> 01:06:36,799
anymore so

1927
01:06:41,270 --> 01:06:38,640
that's our hope okay let's let's put it

1928
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:41,280
this way that's our hope

1929
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:44,799
that society will get to the point where

1930
01:06:48,390 --> 01:06:46,720
it's no longer not only acceptable but

1931
01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:48,400
nobody has the taste for it anymore

1932
01:06:52,390 --> 01:06:50,720
because of that so

1933
01:06:55,109 --> 01:06:52,400
beautifully said just beautifully said

1934
01:06:58,230 --> 01:06:55,119
doug what about the myth of

1935
01:07:01,670 --> 01:06:58,240
progress aspect of it right

1936
01:07:03,430 --> 01:07:01,680
so you're there you're selling your

1937
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:03,440
thing that if we just get this

1938
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:06,240
augmented reality with more qubit kind

1939
01:07:11,990 --> 01:07:08,559
of power we can get there

1940
01:07:14,309 --> 01:07:12,000
there's a a a bushman over

1941
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:14,319
in africa who's sitting there and he's

1942
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:16,319
just rolling on the ground laughing he's

1943
01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:16,960
like

1944
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:19,760
don't you realize it's it's you're kind

1945
01:07:23,910 --> 01:07:21,760
of moving in the wrong direction

1946
01:07:25,589 --> 01:07:23,920
you think you're progressing and you're

1947
01:07:27,510 --> 01:07:25,599
not and you're leading to

1948
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:27,520
greater potential for it all to be

1949
01:07:29,829 --> 01:07:29,280
co-opted or not even to take that last

1950
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:29,839
part out

1951
01:07:33,190 --> 01:07:31,680
it's just that it's not necessary it's

1952
01:07:35,109 --> 01:07:33,200
just

1953
01:07:37,589 --> 01:07:35,119
you're progressing towards what it's

1954
01:07:39,430 --> 01:07:37,599
already there the kingdom is right there

1955
01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:39,440
yeah absolutely it's like the aborigines

1956
01:07:43,589 --> 01:07:41,119
too you know not even the

1957
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:43,599
you know any shamans or aborigines you

1958
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:44,400
know they have a

1959
01:07:47,910 --> 01:07:46,559
they have a nate connection with nature

1960
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:47,920
and i think we all need to get back to

1961
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:48,880
that and

1962
01:07:56,309 --> 01:07:53,039
nature is who our higher self is and and

1963
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:56,319
our our bigger self that's outside of

1964
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:57,599
space and outside time and

1965
01:08:01,190 --> 01:08:00,079
and that it has the values because it

1966
01:08:03,829 --> 01:08:01,200
goes

1967
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doesn't it realizes we're not connected

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01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,720
we're we're not

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01:08:08,710 --> 01:08:06,480
disconnected we're connected and that we

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01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,720
have these values because they feel good

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01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:10,559
you know and they have this

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01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:14,400
why would we amplify infinite pain

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01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:16,719
if we had a choice to as a higher

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01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:17,520
consciousness

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01:08:23,990 --> 01:08:20,640
state you know and unfortunately that's

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01:08:25,829 --> 01:08:24,000
that's i think it's you don't have to

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01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:25,839
choose evil you just have to choose

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01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:28,000
something else you know and that's the

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01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:29,440
thing you choose

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01:08:35,189 --> 01:08:33,120
i'm with you again wonderfully

1981
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:35,199
well look here's what i guess i was

1982
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:37,440
driving at with that

1983
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:40,480
i think there's a legitimate case to be

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01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:41,440
made

1985
01:08:47,829 --> 01:08:44,640
and i think you make it of

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01:08:51,269 --> 01:08:47,839
this technological progress

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01:08:53,510 --> 01:08:51,279
leading towards kind of the

1988
01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:53,520
the counterbalance to what the bushman

1989
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:54,560
is saying right

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01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:56,960
so it's like you're kind of saying yeah

1991
01:08:59,110 --> 01:08:58,799
okay i respect where you're coming from

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01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:59,120
but

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01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:01,040
i can get there too and i can get there

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01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:02,239
with ai

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01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:03,920
and i can get there with augmented

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01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:05,359
intelligence and all the rest this

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01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,120
doesn't have to sit on the sideline

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01:09:11,749 --> 01:09:09,600
necessarily

1999
01:09:13,669 --> 01:09:11,759
yeah they're not mutually exclusive

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01:09:16,229 --> 01:09:13,679
speak to that if you will

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01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:16,239
yeah see one of the one of the things

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01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:17,920
that you learn about especially in this

2003
01:09:21,349 --> 01:09:19,759
age of polarity right it's either this

2004
01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:21,359
or this right they're extreme opposites

2005
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:23,600
as soon as you realize that every

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01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:25,040
advanced concept

2007
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:27,199
is neither there are no opposites

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01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:28,080
anywhere

2009
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:29,520
if you look at the neural model i'm

2010
01:09:32,870 --> 01:09:31,199
talking about it's a

2011
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:32,880
higher dimensional version think if you

2012
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:34,640
had a bunch of toothpicks and those are

2013
01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:36,319
the quantum bits

2014
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:38,400
and you can form those toothpicks

2015
01:09:43,110 --> 01:09:39,600
mathematically

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01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,120
into these large pickup sticks or or

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01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:45,120
knitting needles those are the thought

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01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:47,440
vectors of our thoughts and they're

2019
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:49,679
these little dimensions assemble to form

2020
01:09:54,070 --> 01:09:50,960
the bigger ones

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01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:54,080
those bigger needle knitting needles are

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01:09:56,950 --> 01:09:55,600
orthogonal as well just like quantum

2023
01:09:58,229 --> 01:09:56,960
computing they're quantum computing at

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01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:58,239
the macroscopic

2025
01:10:02,229 --> 01:10:00,320
layer of building all of these thoughts

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01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:02,239
up to be so that's the law of attraction

2027
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:03,360
law of attraction is

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01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:06,159
these things that are similar structure

2029
01:10:08,709 --> 01:10:06,800
look

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01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:08,719
similar at the macroscopic level and

2031
01:10:12,630 --> 01:10:10,080
every thought is like that

2032
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:12,640
and every one of these thoughts light

2033
01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:13,199
and dark

2034
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:16,159
they're not opposites at that domain

2035
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:16,640
they're

2036
01:10:20,229 --> 01:10:18,320
orthogonal which means you can have gray

2037
01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:20,239
you can have mixtures of everything

2038
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:21,920
so even love and hate they're not

2039
01:10:25,830 --> 01:10:23,280
opposites

2040
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:25,840
right you can do the 20 you can do the

2041
01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:27,920
the loop where you tell everybody to say

2042
01:10:30,550 --> 01:10:29,440
the opposite of the thing

2043
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:30,560
and then you pass it around and the

2044
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:31,920
person whispers to the next one by the

2045
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:32,640
time you get back

2046
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:34,159
you have no idea how it got to where

2047
01:10:38,070 --> 01:10:36,000
they were because everybody

2048
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:38,080
opposite is so context dependent it's

2049
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:39,360
relativistic

2050
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:42,239
so if you start looking at all of that

2051
01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:43,520
information you go

2052
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:48,159
okay the mind is

2053
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:51,920
is is hyperdem it all gets back to hyper

2054
01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:52,800
dimensional

2055
01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:56,400
okay so um

2056
01:11:01,350 --> 01:10:59,360
and it doesn't exist inside three

2057
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:01,360
dimensions and so there's a value system

2058
01:11:04,550 --> 01:11:02,800
and meaning comes from that

2059
01:11:06,390 --> 01:11:04,560
where i was heading with this meaning

2060
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:06,400
law of attraction

2061
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:10,320
meaning is those values and those

2062
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:12,719
emotions you can't have meaning without

2063
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:14,159
emotion

2064
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:20,800
is meaning the fundamental level that's

2065
01:11:23,510 --> 01:11:22,239
why people who have these mystical

2066
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:23,520
experiences

2067
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:25,199
have deep love and they can't even put

2068
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:27,040
it in words it's not words it's the

2069
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:28,080
meaning of the

2070
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:30,320
of love and the meaning of compassion

2071
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:32,159
and the meaning of that

2072
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:34,800
they can't even put it in words because

2073
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:35,760
there's not enough

2074
01:11:38,790 --> 01:11:37,520
adjectives to put in front of it to make

2075
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:38,800
it that big

2076
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:41,120
and yet they come back and they and it's

2077
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:41,840
so

2078
01:11:48,229 --> 01:11:45,199
we have to have a model for how the mind

2079
01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:48,239
processes meaning and i think this kind

2080
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:49,040
of

2081
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:50,719
mathematical framework that's built on

2082
01:11:53,990 --> 01:11:52,719
quantum mechanics and neural mathematics

2083
01:11:56,229 --> 01:11:54,000
it's the same kind of mathematics

2084
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:56,239
hyper-dimensional mathematics gives you

2085
01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:57,920
an insight about saying okay how that's

2086
01:12:02,070 --> 01:11:58,880
all that works

2087
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:02,080
and so once you have met meaning for

2088
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:05,280
compassion and love and you realize oh

2089
01:12:09,110 --> 01:12:06,000
that's who we're

2090
01:12:10,790 --> 01:12:09,120
how who we are then maybe these

2091
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:10,800
uncompassionate things the hate

2092
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:12,560
and the love and the polarity that's

2093
01:12:16,310 --> 01:12:14,239
coming none of that

2094
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:16,320
means anything anymore if you can get

2095
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:17,280
above it

2096
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:18,640
right that's what you're doing when

2097
01:12:20,550 --> 01:12:20,000
you're doing an out of body experience

2098
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:20,560
you're

2099
01:12:28,149 --> 01:12:25,440
of like looking above it

2100
01:12:29,270 --> 01:12:28,159
um nlp calls it timeline therapy where

2101
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:29,280
you're above

2102
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:32,000
your entire timeline and that stuff

2103
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:32,480
works

2104
01:12:36,870 --> 01:12:35,280
because you're you're taking a broader

2105
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:36,880
perspective

2106
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:41,760
unified view

2107
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:44,239
of these what historically look like

2108
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:46,800
complementary or

2109
01:12:49,350 --> 01:12:48,239
if you have these two things that look

2110
01:12:50,709 --> 01:12:49,360
like they're opposite to each other but

2111
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:50,719
you can take a higher view of it that

2112
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:51,360
looks like

2113
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:53,600
oh i see this broader perspective where

2114
01:12:56,950 --> 01:12:55,440
those differences disappear

2115
01:12:58,709 --> 01:12:56,960
that's what spiritual growth is all

2116
01:13:00,630 --> 01:12:58,719
about and that's what that's what you

2117
01:13:04,070 --> 01:13:00,640
have when you get this divine

2118
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:04,080
tasting the divine you don't have that

2119
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:05,520
sort of limited view anymore you have

2120
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:08,239
this much broader unified wholeness

2121
01:13:12,310 --> 01:13:10,560
that's wave-like i mean the only way you

2122
01:13:15,030 --> 01:13:12,320
can get that broader perspective if

2123
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:15,040
you're a wave

2124
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:18,960
not a discrete set of points you know in

2125
01:13:22,310 --> 01:13:20,880
you're not a discrete set of bits you're

2126
01:13:23,750 --> 01:13:22,320
like a quantum wave you're like a

2127
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:23,760
quantum potential

2128
01:13:27,910 --> 01:13:25,280
and so that's how it ties neural

2129
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:27,920
computing times with quantum mechanics

2130
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:33,440
so doug how is the deep reality book

2131
01:13:37,510 --> 01:13:35,600
going as it do you feel like it's

2132
01:13:40,950 --> 01:13:37,520
getting through to people it's just an

2133
01:13:43,189 --> 01:13:40,960
awesome awesome you know book again i

2134
01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:43,199
super encourage everyone to check it out

2135
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:46,719
how's it going for for you and dr tiller

2136
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:47,120
and

2137
01:13:50,870 --> 01:13:49,920
how do you feel about it well dr tiller

2138
01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:50,880
you know his

2139
01:13:54,950 --> 01:13:52,719
organization and him is promoting the

2140
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:54,960
book and that's helping and so

2141
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:57,520
i'm we're start you know as a as a brand

2142
01:14:01,590 --> 01:13:58,560
new author

2143
01:14:05,669 --> 01:14:01,600
you know um dean rayden has you know

2144
01:14:07,830 --> 01:14:05,679
50 50 interviews per per month

2145
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:07,840
when he has a new book out and i'm just

2146
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:09,440
getting that started with my book as

2147
01:14:12,550 --> 01:14:10,320
being the first

2148
01:14:14,310 --> 01:14:12,560
first author so i want to thank you for

2149
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:14,320
you know inviting me because

2150
01:14:17,910 --> 01:14:16,880
um because this is the beginning i'm

2151
01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:17,920
hoping the beginning

2152
01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:19,600
um with your interview of other people

2153
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:21,199
going yeah i have

2154
01:14:24,070 --> 01:14:22,400
something to say and i probably have

2155
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:24,080
something that's unique to be said

2156
01:14:29,830 --> 01:14:25,760
that's based on science

2157
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:29,840
and yet yet gives us hope you know that

2158
01:14:33,590 --> 01:14:31,840
um that we can talk about all these

2159
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:33,600
subjects in a way that's meaningful you

2160
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:34,400
know

2161
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:37,280
so um so right now it's i'd say it's

2162
01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:38,640
slow starting but i'm not worried about

2163
01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:39,199
that

2164
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:42,560
are going to find out on the book and

2165
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:44,239
i've met some very interesting people so

2166
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:44,960
far

2167
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:48,239
and and and people who are 100 behind

2168
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:49,360
what i'm doing

2169
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:52,560
and uh that's encouraging and how could

2170
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:53,040
it be

2171
01:14:56,470 --> 01:14:55,360
otherwise again you know towards the end

2172
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:56,480
here you're just

2173
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:58,560
in my opinion just knocking it out of

2174
01:15:02,630 --> 01:14:59,679
the park with uh

2175
01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:02,640
thank you nde and the good versus in the

2176
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:05,120
life review which i always felt is

2177
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:07,040
the most important thing to understand

2178
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:10,560
about nde along with the fact that

2179
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:12,640
there is a moral imperative and i love

2180
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:13,760
your point about

2181
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:16,960
we can always you know

2182
01:15:21,590 --> 01:15:19,679
we are good you know my point is always

2183
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:21,600
that we are more we are not biological

2184
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:23,280
robots in a meaningless universe we have

2185
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:24,000
this

2186
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:26,480
divine ever expanding beings and i'm not

2187
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:28,080
i'm not christian i'm not religious

2188
01:15:31,910 --> 01:15:30,960
get that straight but also we are good

2189
01:15:34,149 --> 01:15:31,920
we are good we can

2190
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:34,159
always choose good and the fact that so

2191
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:36,239
many people choose darkness and evil is

2192
01:15:39,669 --> 01:15:37,120
just

2193
01:15:40,149 --> 01:15:39,679
a confusion misunderstanding that's

2194
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:40,159
their

2195
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:41,440
thing that they're going to have to work

2196
01:15:44,189 --> 01:15:43,120
on just some optimized decision as i

2197
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:44,199
like to call it

2198
01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:47,280
self-optimized decision so

2199
01:15:51,430 --> 01:15:49,520
uh you are to be congratulated and i

2200
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:51,440
love your spirit of

2201
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:54,640
this book will reach the right people

2202
01:15:58,390 --> 01:15:56,560
thank you however many they are and

2203
01:16:02,070 --> 01:15:58,400
wherever they are

2204
01:16:05,590 --> 01:16:02,080
it's super important that someone with

2205
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:05,600
your background and your ability to

2206
01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:08,640
just directly confront uh

2207
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:12,560
the technology that is so

2208
01:16:19,110 --> 01:16:16,239
uh immediately relevant to our life

2209
01:16:21,030 --> 01:16:19,120
and then do it in a way that is uh

2210
01:16:24,390 --> 01:16:21,040
immediately expansive into this

2211
01:16:25,110 --> 01:16:24,400
metaphysical stuff is it's a head trip

2212
01:16:27,110 --> 01:16:25,120
man

2213
01:16:28,950 --> 01:16:27,120
i'm just telling you you're you're

2214
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:28,960
really to be congratulated doug great

2215
01:16:32,310 --> 01:16:30,000
work

2216
01:16:33,990 --> 01:16:32,320
thank you thank you i appreciate you uh

2217
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:34,000
inviting me for this interview today

2218
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:36,000
and i appreciate all the obviously you

2219
01:16:39,510 --> 01:16:37,760
spend a lot of time looking at this book

2220
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:39,520
beforehand and i appreciate that too

2221
01:16:45,189 --> 01:16:42,560
and so that it it's it's an informed

2222
01:16:46,630 --> 01:16:45,199
it's an informed interview and and

2223
01:16:49,590 --> 01:16:46,640
people will know that sincere and i

2224
01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:49,600
appreciate that part of it too so

2225
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:51,440
okay they're gonna hate on me but that's

2226
01:16:59,590 --> 01:16:57,910
thanks again to dr doug matzke for

2227
01:17:01,510 --> 01:16:59,600
joining me today on skeptico the one

2228
01:17:02,229 --> 01:17:01,520
question i'd have to tee up from this

2229
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:02,239
interview

2230
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:05,679
is what do you make of

2231
01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:08,560
doug's transition from quantum physics

2232
01:17:14,149 --> 01:17:10,960
quantum computing to

2233
01:17:17,910 --> 01:17:14,159
the metaphysical to the spiritual

2234
01:17:21,350 --> 01:17:17,920
science it's a leap but he claims

2235
01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:21,360
it's an undeniable leap

2236
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:24,000
what do you think let me know your

2237
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:25,440
thoughts jump on over to the skeptical

2238
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:26,159
forum or

2239
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:29,120
track me down wherever you can find me

2240
01:17:31,990 --> 01:17:30,960
plenty of shows coming up stay with me

2241
01:17:36,180 --> 01:17:32,000
for all of that

2242
01:17:42,830 --> 01:17:36,190
until next time take care and bye for